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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 579 for the 17th of

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November 2019 which adds Saunders coming

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to you once again from Sydney Australia

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today on the skeptic zone a most

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remarkable story in a warning we're

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going to begin with the case of an

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anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist who has

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gone into a medical clinic in Melbourne

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and had them remove probe vaccination

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posters from the wall sounds like some

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warped reality some bad dream it really

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did happen and the details are coming up

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at the top of the show and it certainly

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is a cautionary tale of warning and I

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think this story will continue to unfold

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in the coming weeks following that it's

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our old friend Ian Bryce the Challenge

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coordinator and investigator here at

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Australian sceptics recently the

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Australian skeptics have been putting

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together a series of video interviews

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with prominent skeptics including one of

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our founders dick Smith they're all up

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on YouTube now linked in this week's

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show notes but I thought I'd play to you

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some of the interview with Ian Bryce as

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he recounts some of the investigations

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that he took part in in the early 80s

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good old-fashioned skepticism following

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that I told the audience at Sydney's

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skeptics in the pub about the upcoming

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bent spoon award which will be at

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skeptic on which will be announced at

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skeptic on in Melbourne we look at some

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of this year's nominations and one in

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particular a man who claims he can make

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it rain and I chat to tim Mendham the

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editor of the skeptic the journal of

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australian skeptics about what it's like

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to gather stories for the magazine and

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then you'll hear Tim read out part two

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of the continuing series the hole in the

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pole well that's enough for me at the

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moment more the cat has joined me here

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in the studio hey what are you looking

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at hey you looking for a bird out the

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window or something hmm I better take

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her downstairs and give us some dinner

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well I do that I hope you enjoy the

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over the years one of the topics of the

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skeptic zone has continually had to face

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cover report on comment on investigate

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anti-vaxxers and of course they are

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theorist to really be a a true diehard

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anti-vaxxer and once you become a

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staunch conspiracy theorist I guess it's

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like any strong belief you feel entitled

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to do things the case in point and the

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video that's come to the attention of

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the Australian skeptics in the last few

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days where an anti-vaxxer / conspiracy

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theorist walks into a medical centre

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here in Australia and demands they take

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for vaccinations flu vaccinations

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whooping cough and so on and I read from

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person posing as a therapeutics Goods

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a Melbourne health clinic and demanded

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the impersonation and warned anyone else

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breaking the law

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administration official now how do we

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industry and I think you get the idea

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hi here you going look um my name is

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surgery is in breach of the TGA

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required these posters to be taken down

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taking down the vaccine posters but it's

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this youtube channel including this is

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the best you have won the internet for

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2019 another one excellent work thank

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you for this here's another one

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Bravo it is clear that there is much

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confusion about the whole scheme and it

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one who else in Sydney wants to do this

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all in violation another one can you

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supply a link to the TGA section that

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with me do I have to be involved with

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the TGA or questionmark I want to go

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with their disgusting flu vaccine during

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pregnancy advertising so it is clear

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channel itself in no way did I

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impersonate a TGA representative the raw

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footage proves this any statements

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alluding to the country of false and

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misleading we are changed Melbourne

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grapevine is this story is getting a lot

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of notice in the media and there should

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doctor's surgery every clinic throughout

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represent the TGA they can be stopped

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posted if there's any more developments

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the government or elsewhere decides to

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take action against this individual

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have you ever wondered what skeptics are

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up to in countries where English is not

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necessarily the first language or are

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you interested to learn about some

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fascinating and sometimes very bizarre

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Europe related facts events or people

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from history of skepticism or do you

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just want to know who's been really

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wrong lately you can find out all about

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I don't know how you can be my friend

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and colleague Ian Brice a longtime

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member of the strain skeptics has been

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involved in many many many

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investigations for the organization

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spanning decades Ian took part in a

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series of video interviews about the

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history of Australian skeptics and here

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he is discussing some of the early

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investigations okay well one of the big

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investigations we did was the water

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powered car designed by Stephen Horvath

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in Queensland and promoted by the then

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you might remember and he was in the

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media pouring water from a jug into the

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to drive away only to discover he didn't

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have the keys with him so so I did a big

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investigation of that he claimed to have

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patents on the subject which so I

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tracked down his patents and found out

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that the patents were not related to a

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car running on water surprise surprise

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published the patents well extracts

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therefrom in the skeptic magazine and

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described how a it couldn't work from a

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theoretical basis and B the patent was

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irrelevant and C no one had witnessed

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him driving this car verifying that it

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was on water so that was was a major

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investigation there was a psychic

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dentist who toured Australia from the

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USA and his claim that he would provide

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surgery on your teeth and he would turn

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your amalgam fillings into gold

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guaranteed so he's performed surgery in

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a lot of people in Melbourne and the

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skeptics protested against him and then

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finally

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it was discovered that he was telling

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the people when he was holding public

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days to get them to come and promote his

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idea that it would take two weeks for

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them to turn into gold wouldn't be

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instantaneous like he'd been suggesting

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before and of course within two weeks he

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done the surgery and was out of the

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country haha a very convenient another

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one was a psychic called Dennis hassel

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who said that he would appear on stage

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and would disappear in front of your

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very eyes so he was claiming that you

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could see right through him so the

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skeptics went along and watched it and

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found out that all he was doing was

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sleeping between two curtains from the

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light into the dark so he did indeed

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disappear so the skeptics wrote an

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article we saying we did concede that we

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couldn't see indeed see right through

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him so it was a touch of humor as well

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there was the Melbourne metropolitan

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Board of Works in the early days they

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hired a psychic from the USA at least

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she came from the USA of her own accord

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and then she proceeded to divine psychic

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buildings in other words she could find

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historical building sites around

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Melbourne with a divining rod so she'd

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be driven around there with officials

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from the government divining them by

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putting pegs in the ground saying here's

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where an ancient building was and here's

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a sketch of the building and they were

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paying her money for this rate payers

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money at the end of the day we had to

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look at her sketches and there all of

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American style buildings so so much for

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the colonial of Australian buildings

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that she was finding another physics

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event was a psychic called Byron Rigby

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who ran the Transcendental Meditation

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group all sorts of yoga he was also a

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mathematics professor somewhere and he

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was claiming that he could levitate had

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pictures to prove it if he and his

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students floating above a mattress in

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midair maybe two feet above the mattress

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and we were very skeptical of this so we

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investigated that

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and he was unable to produce any

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evidence whatsoever that he could live

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or tape some of his students said that

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okay if you sit cross-legged on a

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mattress you can actually bounce up and

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down a bit like on a trampoline and they

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taken photographs when he was at the

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apogee of his trajectories so it looked

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like like he was floating in air the

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creation Science Foundation from

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Queensland went around Australia holding

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conferences that promote creationism and

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they had found a guy who claimed to have

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scientific evidence that the speed of

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light was slowing down now why was this

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important because if the speed of light

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was faster in the past it would overcome

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the objection that light from distant

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galaxies takes billions of years to

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reach us so how could it be that the

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universe was only six thousand years old

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well his thesis showed his claim that

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the speed of light was much higher in

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the past so it could travel all that

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distance like a billion light years in

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only 6,000 years and the Bible could be

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true after all so I went to I gathered

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some data on his measurements he

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published a thing called a monograph

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which i think is a self-published

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scientific paper on that topic so I took

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his data and found out the source data

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and wrote a little paper showing that he

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had selected his data and the the

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evidence that the speed of light was

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slowing down was achieved simply by

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selecting the earlier measurements which

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were less accurate the higher ones in

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their range and the current ones low

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evidence in the range which showed it

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slowing down by one or two percent in

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the last hundred years so I went around

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went to the creation conference to

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heckle now I've taken several different

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lines of action against psychics and

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charlatans the the best thinking is that

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you go along and you observe in your

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report well that might be okay but it's

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not very satisfying on the day so you

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can ask questions at the end but if they

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find their skeptics in the audience in

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the question period vanishes altogether

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or becomes very short so the only option

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is to maybe

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stand outside and speak to people or

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sometimes you can heckle so I don't

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often do it but I have been known to

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heckle or to interject with a question

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when it's really needed and if that

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doesn't work and other ways to simply

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give a belly laugh which I find very

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effective as well

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so anyway Barry Satterfield was at the

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front of the conference reading out his

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paper that the speed of light had showed

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has slowed down and Genesis could be

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right and then the lights on the light

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bulb on his podium that he was reading

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on his lectern in reading his paper from

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went out so they handed around trying to

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find a torch for him to read his notes

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by so I yield that looks like the speed

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of light is slowing down as we speak so

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that's the sort of way one can perhaps

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get publicity your psychic surgery is

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something that was in we were involved

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in them in the 1980s as well as you know

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that's where a surgeon so-called surgeon

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probably from the Philippines pretends

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to do an operation on a person and

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pretends to remove some innards from

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them and declare them cured and zip up

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their stomach again so there's no

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evidence well as has been as Tim

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described we gave a demonstration of

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that at a convention in Sydney which

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showed how it could be done and then

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there's a magazine called Australian

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Playboy

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they said they'd like to do an article

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on it and did we have some photographs

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of psychic surgery being performed they

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weren't happy with sorry we didn't have

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our photograph they weren't happy with

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say that they said well could you wear a

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bit flexible here perhaps you can have

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some tomorrow you could create some so I

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was given the task of doing some fake

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psychic surgery by the skeptics to

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provide them with photographs which we

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were allegedly they were then published

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as the skeptics showing our psychic

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surgery can be done so I started to do

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some psychic surgery on on a Melbourne

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committee member Joe Rubenstein and he

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was a skinny as a rake he didn't so do

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you think I could get my creator

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appropriate fold of fat on his stomach

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to get my hands inside no way I couldn't

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do it so he decided Mark Plummer was

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better endowed with a layer of body fat

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and I did the surgery on him producing

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chicken guts from the incision and with

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appropriate guidance from magicians and

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so forth so that was carefully filmed by

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Australian Penthouse magazine and was

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published in the magazine but the

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problem is they forgot that it was done

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based on the skeptics and they said it

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was photographs of psychic surgery being

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performed in the Philippines so my hands

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I can say that I'm a hand model through

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for Australian Penthouse magazine and I

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was published there doing this psychic

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surgery but but not given credit for it

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because it the credit was given to the

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real psychic surgeons so-called so that

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was just let's just get that right

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whether it was penthouse or Playboy cuz

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at the beginner student Australian

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penthouse was you can see that interview

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for yourself by following the link on

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this week's show notes plus interviews

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with barry williams peter hogan to

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Mendham and one of the founders of

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australian sceptics dick smith

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on the 10th of November 2009 in the

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basement function room of a classical

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pop underage student with overgrown

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ginger hair by the name of Ian Scott

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hosted the first ever Glasgow skeptics

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event the speaker that night was the

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founding member of Edinburgh skeptics

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ash price the event was well attended an

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enthusiasm grew for this plucky new

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organisation under Ian's stewardship

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they went from strength to strength

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hosting talks from luminaries and

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science and free thinking such as Aaron

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Rock Russ French Simon Singh susan

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gerbic John Curtis Rebecca Watson

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Eugenie Scott

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and as a special five-year anniversary

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event nate phelps if you're unfamiliar

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with neat he was the atheist son of

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fundamentalist hate preacher fred phelps

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needs father had died not long before

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that appearance at Strathclyde

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University and his talk was an

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unforgettable one for everyone near in

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2016 just before the Scottish

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independence referendum the group

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organized one of the largest public

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debates in Scotland they had to turn

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people away from the 400 plus capacity

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Mitchell library theater they tired for

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the event Ian left shortly after less to

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walk for humanists Yuki and the group is

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now managed by me

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Brian Eagle since taking over we made a

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bold and somewhat naive decision to

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increase the frequency of the events so

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know if you're ever in Glasgow on a

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Monday night and have nothing to do

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please check her Glasgow skeltox

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as we will have some form of science and

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skepticism on the menu for you to

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celebrate our 10th anniversary and event

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number 276 we welcome back ash praised

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for his critically acclaimed paranormal

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illusionist show

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to continue the celebrations will be

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hosting atheist luminary Matt Dillahunty

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for his magic and skepticism talk back

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at Strathclyde University on Monday the

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16th of December free tickets are

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available from Glasgow sceptics calm as

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we move into next year we're going to

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pass another milestone 300 events so

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please raise a glass to Glasgow sceptics

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and remember to support your local

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skeptics grip or start one up if you

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don't have one I need two microphones

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folks hello my name is Richard Saunders

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I'm a past president life member of the

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Australian skeptics Inc here in New

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South Wales I've just come back from a

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few days in Melbourne to chat to the

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people down there who are organizing

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skeptic on 2019 it's going to be at the

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University of Melbourne from the 6th to

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the 8th of December and it's lining up

553
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:15,610
to be a really interesting and

554
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:17,590
fascinating convention which I hope they

555
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:20,530
always are the people down there are

556
00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:22,330
putting in a lot of work but one of the

557
00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:23,980
highlights of every year for the

558
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:25,780
Australian skeptics is the awarding of

559
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:29,320
the bent spoon prize for the most

560
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:31,240
preposterous piece of paranormal or

561
00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:32,770
pseudo scientific piffle

562
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:35,320
in the previous years I thought I might

563
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:37,480
like to tell you that this year amongst

564
00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:40,510
the nominations we have SBS television

565
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:47,260
for medicine or myth okay you don't have

566
00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:49,480
to do everybody it's alright we've got

567
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:51,880
good price pharmacy pharmacies often

568
00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:54,070
come up for selling things like

569
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,580
homeopathy and whatnot we've got one of

570
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,400
my favourite ones coming up is Peter

571
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,760
the Rainmaker Stephens I'll get to that

572
00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:06,640
in a second ABC landline the University

573
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,060
of Technology Sydney SBS again for

574
00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:13,120
another program even four corners all

575
00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:15,350
these supermarkets

576
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:20,120
ah that's what I said ah I mean I go

577
00:27:26,110 --> 00:27:21,890
there twice a week I line up for the

578
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:26,120
specials which I see on my Aldi TV every

579
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:29,480
week by meeting my Aldi dinner they were

580
00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:34,430
selling ear candles ear candles and for

581
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:36,380
those who don't know these are candles

582
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:38,950
you stick into your ear

583
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,530
true enough and also the Prime Minister

584
00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:44,240
has got a bent spoon nomination this

585
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:46,520
year but I must say normally every year

586
00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:49,310
the Australian skeptics themselves we

587
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:51,590
get a nomination for the bed spoon but I

588
00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:53,660
thought I might quickly like to tell you

589
00:27:59,290 --> 00:27:55,630
about the one that I find very

590
00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:59,300
interesting nominee Peter the rainmakers

591
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:01,240
Stephens Peter Stephens has been

592
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:04,370
promoting his atmospheric ionization

593
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:06,950
research machine throughout Australia

594
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:10,220
this is a 2 metre diameter portable

595
00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:12,860
device thank heavens for that that uses

596
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:15,470
focused mirrors infrared energy and

597
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,590
magnets just in case one didn't work

598
00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:20,240
they've got all sorts of things to

599
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:23,000
create an intense warm section of air

600
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:25,270
that changes particles in the atmosphere

601
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:29,240
causing clouds to form and rain it is

602
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:31,190
alleged that when this device is turned

603
00:28:35,370 --> 00:28:34,310
on it will create rain with 100%

604
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,380
accuracy

605
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:38,480
[Music]

606
00:28:45,019 --> 00:28:41,129
why hasn't he been using it lately as

607
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,029
the cria here Stevens has been

608
00:28:49,369 --> 00:28:47,279
encouraging encouraging people to use

609
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,379
his device in rural areas of Australia

610
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:51,600
that may be subject to drought to help

611
00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:55,860
bring rain to parched lands well despite

612
00:29:00,499 --> 00:28:58,470
this device never having undergone any

613
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,509
kind of rigorous scientific testing and

614
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,419
has been dismissed as implausible by the

615
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:06,240
Bureau of Meteorology and somebody

616
00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:08,279
earlier on asked me said well why isn't

617
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:10,950
it being used well it doesn't work it's

618
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:14,340
probably anyway if you're coming to the

619
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:16,110
convention you can hear the announcement

620
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:17,820
of the bent spoon and other awards there

621
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:20,490
in person or it'll be broadcast just

622
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,350
after but the bench spoon is something

623
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:24,120
we've been doing ever since the skeptics

624
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:26,610
have been going I think Tim for nearly

625
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:29,610
40 years and if you have someone or

626
00:29:33,139 --> 00:29:31,590
something or an organization you would

627
00:29:35,869 --> 00:29:33,149
like to nominate for the bench spoon

628
00:29:37,369 --> 00:29:35,879
award you can do that by contacting us

629
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,379
having a chat to us or doing it through

630
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:40,159
the website so too late for next year

631
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:44,250
for next year but we'll always look

632
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:46,529
forward to the bench spoon prize thank

633
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:47,410
you very much

634
00:29:53,950 --> 00:30:19,730
[Music]

635
00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:24,150
olace less habla Paola the de l'air

636
00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:25,720
Moses with other Buenos Aires in

637
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:28,780
Argentina when the couch ammos podcasts

638
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:30,580
cochamo lo mismo que Kucha todo el mundo

639
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:33,910
como the skeptic zone ojala pueden venir

640
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:36,340
a visit honest algun dia las esperamos

641
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:38,230
con nuestra Ricky SEMA comida locales

642
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:45,760
yeah podemos hablar un tango mientras

643
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:47,650
tanto sugandha fruit and OD pseudo see

644
00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:49,750
same analogy NCI pensamiento rational

645
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:08,520
[Music]

646
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:10,700
now you've been enjoying and I've been

647
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:12,830
enjoying Tim Mendham on the sceptic zone

648
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:15,710
with his freedom of speech article the

649
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:17,450
one about the geeks in the nerds and

650
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:19,430
last week he would have heard part one

651
00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:21,650
of hole in the pole and this week we're

652
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:23,420
gonna be hearing about part two how do

653
00:31:28,030 --> 00:31:25,490
you get these stories Tim oh I make them

654
00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:28,040
up you make them up that makes sense

655
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:29,990
I'm a journalist that's that's my

656
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:32,870
training so basically research talking

657
00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:36,980
to people you going online talking it on

658
00:31:40,270 --> 00:31:38,380
the phone interviewing people whatever

659
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:40,280
gathering information and of course

660
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:42,110
generally being inspired by your work

661
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:44,980
retention which is always inspirational

662
00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:47,000
folks you would not understand on a

663
00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:50,390
prick it really is but no it's fun

664
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,160
actually doing research I enjoy doing

665
00:31:56,620 --> 00:31:53,840
research and that sort of thing here and

666
00:31:58,270 --> 00:31:56,630
just the curiosity sake folks Tim did

667
00:32:00,640 --> 00:31:58,280
come around to the skeptics own Studios

668
00:32:03,850 --> 00:32:00,650
sat down and we had the nice microphone

669
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:03,860
and actually was a good session despite

670
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,570
the odd plane flying over and the cats

671
00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:08,000
meowing and your tummy rumbling and all

672
00:32:12,340 --> 00:32:10,220
sudden it was the glamorous studios

673
00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:12,350
wasn't a very glamorous to do a really

674
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:14,120
high-tech and very impressive actually

675
00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:16,370
hot and cold running star for every way

676
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:18,440
so yeah so it's actually I was very

677
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:19,970
impressed with it with a multi-million

678
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:21,590
dollar operation I shouldn't say that

679
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:23,000
because you're still after a rat patron

680
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:27,050
I am i it's all a lie we did it in my in

681
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:29,090
my lounge room I think yeah the smell of

682
00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:30,620
an oily rag and the smell Oh gnarly

683
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:33,820
wreck but no and I'll tell you that we

684
00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:36,500
we get correspondence of this skeptic so

685
00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:38,600
not an avalanche but I think it

686
00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:41,660
beginning people writing in there to

687
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:44,150
compliment you on your stories people

688
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:45,980
find them quite interesting quite the

689
00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:47,930
fighting words the one about freedom of

690
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:49,390
speech people found interesting

691
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:53,710
I've got a very large family well that's

692
00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:55,090
nice to hear actually it's always nice

693
00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:56,980
to get feedback I mean normally the sort

694
00:33:00,299 --> 00:32:58,120
of feedback you get is with those people

695
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,309
who don't like you yeah yes very very

696
00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:02,080
badly tell you and those who do say oh

697
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:02,860
yeah fair enough

698
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:05,170
so and I've known this as a safe I've

699
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:06,490
been a journalist for more years than I

700
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:08,440
care to admit to and editor of

701
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:11,290
publications and I know that you're

702
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:14,200
getting feedback from listeners or

703
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:16,210
readers or whatever is really really

704
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:18,820
valuable for even if it's critical

705
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:20,350
especially if it's critical actually

706
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:22,660
that you learn to sort of adjust your

707
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:25,690
what you're doing your product to not

708
00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:27,010
necessarily match everything they say

709
00:33:31,169 --> 00:33:28,870
but at least to take it on board yeah

710
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:31,179
and so I've always welcomed in the

711
00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:33,370
magazine which I eat it I'm sure you do

712
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:35,500
too of the podcast always welcome input

713
00:33:42,419 --> 00:33:37,809
all the time well good good point in

714
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,429
fact listen is if you fancy yourself to

715
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:44,320
be a bit of a rider on sceptical issues

716
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:47,770
you're always would welcome people to

717
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:49,240
write in and say how about this for an

718
00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:51,190
idea or here's a story you might like

719
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:53,309
yeah I mean all the time I mean sort of

720
00:33:58,140 --> 00:33:56,220
contributors with gold to editors

721
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:58,150
especially contributors who don't ask

722
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:00,120
for any money I know I know

723
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:02,350
we always pay our writers in round

724
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:06,190
figures but no it's always I mean the

725
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:07,780
best thing to do is to just send me an

726
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:11,800
email to editor at skeptics Conde you to

727
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:13,330
actually just put forward an idea put me

728
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:15,690
I pitch an idea in a sentence or three

729
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:17,980
and I'm very happy to discuss and we

730
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:19,810
work at that it's best to do that first

731
00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:21,460
rather than write something and send it

732
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:23,230
in because you might find you've

733
00:34:26,129 --> 00:34:24,340
actually overlapped with something

734
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:26,139
you've already done and that happens a

735
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:28,210
lot with book reviews actually thank you

736
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,260
very much you've spent a lot of time

737
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:31,119
doing that unfortunately we publish the

738
00:34:35,369 --> 00:34:32,500
book people doing the same book last

739
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:35,379
issue so check it first but always

740
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:36,700
welcome always more than welcome

741
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:39,010
actually so yeah great to hear even if

742
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:40,389
you like articles that are critical of

743
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:42,429
the skeptics that's fine I don't mind

744
00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:43,990
that at all I think that's very healthy

745
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:46,300
to have put on a wide range of topics

746
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:48,609
and have a look at the magazine which is

747
00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:52,159
also available online and it

748
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:53,960
all the issues were the only skeptical

749
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:55,369
group in the world to publish all of us

750
00:35:00,220 --> 00:34:58,010
issues online for free except for the

751
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:00,230
four most recent issues which we say for

752
00:35:04,059 --> 00:35:01,609
subscribers so you can look at the very

753
00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:04,069
earliest copies of the magazine so that

754
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:07,420
came out in 1981 a massive four pager

755
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:09,770
but ever since then so gave a look

756
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:11,720
there's a plethora of information and

757
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,690
ideas and I draw around that information

758
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:17,119
as you do it's a good resource

759
00:35:21,279 --> 00:35:19,130
it really is folks that thousands of

760
00:35:23,529 --> 00:35:21,289
articles reports items investigations

761
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:23,539
interviews free to download as we like

762
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:25,670
to say well thanks Tim and now we can

763
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:28,730
all sit back and enjoy you reading the

764
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:39,170
whole in the poll part two hi I'm Tim

765
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:40,910
Mendelian the executive officer of

766
00:35:46,029 --> 00:35:43,369
Australian skeptics and the editor of a

767
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:46,039
magazine and the skeptic this is part

768
00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:51,049
two of the whole in the poll which

769
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:53,720
appeared in the March 2018 issue of the

770
00:35:59,500 --> 00:35:57,890
magazine which is vol 38 number one you

771
00:36:04,270 --> 00:35:59,510
can actually look this up on our website

772
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:07,140
[Music]

773
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:09,950
in part one we looked at the basic

774
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:12,050
theories that there's something beneath

775
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:15,260
us holes underground that sort of thing

776
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:18,530
and we looked at the adventures of Rear

777
00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:20,210
Admiral Byrd who claimed to actually

778
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:21,980
actually flown into a hole in the pole

779
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,369
and met up with Nazis and people who had

780
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,680
an altruistic view of the world this

781
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:28,880
time though we look at something little

782
00:36:33,490 --> 00:36:31,670
bit more scientific and it is photos

783
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:33,500
that have been published which

784
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:36,520
supposedly show a hole in the pole

785
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:38,530
specifically this time the North Pole

786
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:39,970
[Music]

787
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:43,119
now as every whole second knows

788
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:45,590
cover-ups by governments and secret

789
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,530
cabals have made it impossible not to

790
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:50,720
mention downright dangerous to reveal

791
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:52,970
the existence of the holes and the

792
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:54,830
civilizations inside the Hollow Earth

793
00:37:00,160 --> 00:36:57,920
that they lead to it so when government

794
00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:00,170
agencies release information by accident

795
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:02,540
or naivety that you would otherwise be

796
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:05,270
kept from the public the whole is leap

797
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:07,730
on it with unbridled enthusiasm and

798
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:11,200
truth goes out the window or down a hole

799
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:13,730
thus it was with the release of photos

800
00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:16,250
of the earth in the late 60s from the US

801
00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:18,140
environmental science services

802
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:21,380
administration ESA meteorological

803
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:23,900
satellites ESO was the United States

804
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:26,810
Federal Executive created in 1965 as

805
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:28,430
part of the reorganization of the

806
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,010
Department of Commerce its mission was

807
00:37:36,849 --> 00:37:33,760
to unify and oversee the meteorological

808
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:36,859
climatological hydrographic and geodesic

809
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:39,470
operations of the United States it

810
00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:42,290
operated until 1970 when it was replaced

811
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:44,660
by the new National Oceanic and

812
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:48,290
Atmospheric Administration NOAA it was

813
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:50,090
the first u.s. government organization

814
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,280
with the word environment in its title

815
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,560
and as such was the first such

816
00:37:59,130 --> 00:37:56,960
organization chartered to study the

817
00:38:01,120 --> 00:37:59,140
global natural environment as a whole

818
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:01,130
bringing together the study of the

819
00:38:05,140 --> 00:38:02,920
oceans with that of both the atmosphere

820
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,150
in the lower atmosphere and the

821
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:08,240
ionosphere the publication of photos

822
00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:11,410
from two of its satellites sr3 and seven

823
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:14,150
set in motion a new series of Hollow

824
00:38:20,669 --> 00:38:17,570
Earth conspiracy theories the so3

825
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,679
photograph was taken on January 6 1960

826
00:38:26,979 --> 00:38:23,119
and the second photograph was taken by

827
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:26,989
ss7 on November 23 1968

828
00:38:31,989 --> 00:38:30,650
so roughly almost cheese they show the

829
00:38:33,909 --> 00:38:31,999
northern region of the earth from above

830
00:38:36,729 --> 00:38:33,919
looking down with the polar region in

831
00:38:39,339 --> 00:38:36,739
the middle except instead of any land

832
00:38:42,249 --> 00:38:39,349
clouds or whatever there is nothing in

833
00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:42,259
the middle just a large black spot or a

834
00:38:50,919 --> 00:38:47,509
hole Robert Lee McIlwain who died in

835
00:38:52,929 --> 00:38:50,929
2008 was one of the people who hopped on

836
00:38:54,969 --> 00:38:52,939
this with great vigor he was a

837
00:38:57,479 --> 00:38:54,979
self-described Bachelor of Science in

838
00:39:00,729 --> 00:38:57,489
physics who wrote a series of ranting

839
00:39:03,099 --> 00:39:00,739
fringe science essays characteristically

840
00:39:05,979 --> 00:39:03,109
peppered with capitalized words for

841
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:05,989
emphasis each essay covered topics such

842
00:39:12,009 --> 00:39:08,900
as alien influence on violence free

843
00:39:16,689 --> 00:39:12,019
energy becoming UFO landings and cancer

844
00:39:18,699 --> 00:39:16,699
cures as the site top Martian describes

845
00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:18,709
him Robert McIlwain became one of the

846
00:39:23,919 --> 00:39:20,900
most famous net legends during his

847
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:23,929
tenure on Usenet generating enough fame

848
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,109
and interest to rate an FAQ of his own

849
00:39:32,649 --> 00:39:30,640
and his own news group originally

850
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,659
appearing on science groups and

851
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:34,400
eventually posting to almost every news

852
00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:35,569
group in existence

853
00:39:39,789 --> 00:39:37,969
Macarena would post long messages about

854
00:39:42,969 --> 00:39:39,799
a number of subjects on a regular

855
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:42,979
monthly or semi monthly basis these

856
00:39:46,779 --> 00:39:45,169
posts were almost always the same with

857
00:39:48,729 --> 00:39:46,789
no changes made from the previous

858
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:48,739
editions and he never crossed posted

859
00:39:52,779 --> 00:39:50,569
making an impossible for most news

860
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:52,789
reader programs to realize that the

861
00:39:58,140 --> 00:39:55,369
message had already been read Robert's

862
00:40:00,969 --> 00:39:58,150
messages always ended with the sentence

863
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:00,979
unaltered reproduction and dissemination

864
00:40:05,049 --> 00:40:03,169
of this important information is

865
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:05,059
encouraged now every second word is in

866
00:40:10,749 --> 00:40:08,209
caps so that in his typical art

867
00:40:12,459 --> 00:40:10,759
conspiracists style he posted the

868
00:40:16,059 --> 00:40:12,469
following when he saw the first essay

869
00:40:19,209 --> 00:40:16,069
Frodo the earth is hollow it's hollow

870
00:40:21,729 --> 00:40:19,219
shell is about 1,500 miles thick at the

871
00:40:24,489 --> 00:40:21,739
equator and about 500 miles thick near

872
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:24,499
the polar entrance holes the north polar

873
00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:27,979
entrance hole is about 1400 miles in

874
00:40:33,249 --> 00:40:30,229
diameter and centered close to the

875
00:40:34,299 --> 00:40:33,259
Earth's axis of rotation while the south

876
00:40:36,939 --> 00:40:34,309
polar entering

877
00:40:38,769 --> 00:40:36,949
whole is slightly smaller perhaps 1,300

878
00:40:40,959 --> 00:40:38,779
miles in diameter and somewhat

879
00:40:43,209 --> 00:40:40,969
off-center the entrance holes are

880
00:40:46,449 --> 00:40:43,219
usually filled up with some kind of fog

881
00:40:49,569 --> 00:40:46,459
as the geometric center of the earth is

882
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,579
a glowing ball of plasma about 600 miles

883
00:40:54,789 --> 00:40:52,400
in diameter which serves as the central

884
00:40:59,019 --> 00:40:54,799
Sun that warms and illuminates the

885
00:41:04,029 --> 00:40:59,029
Earth's inner surface Sean Ellis on his

886
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:04,039
website motor prime dot org points out

887
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:06,170
that Michael vanes caption includes the

888
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,150
words clearly showing the whole of the

889
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,640
North Pole if this is indeed the case

890
00:41:15,219 --> 00:41:12,400
then it is nothing short of remarkable

891
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:15,229
as the North Pole is in complete

892
00:41:20,339 --> 00:41:17,569
darkness at this time of year so

893
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:20,349
spotting a hole in darkness is difficult

894
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:22,249
there are other things about this

895
00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:23,689
photograph that raise problems Ellis

896
00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:26,420
says not just the hole but the entire

897
00:41:30,939 --> 00:41:28,579
visible hemisphere of the earth is in

898
00:41:32,859 --> 00:41:30,949
sunlight clearly impossible unless the

899
00:41:36,279 --> 00:41:32,869
pole is oriented directly towards the

900
00:41:39,069 --> 00:41:36,289
Sun this is not of course the case at no

901
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:39,079
time during January 1967 was the entire

902
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:40,729
northern hemisphere is simultaneously

903
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:43,249
bathed in sunlight the answer of course

904
00:41:47,919 --> 00:41:45,910
is that the photos are composites

905
00:41:50,859 --> 00:41:47,929
montages produced from a number of

906
00:41:53,969 --> 00:41:50,869
separate half-lit images to give a

907
00:41:57,549 --> 00:41:53,979
measure of global cloud cover the hole

908
00:41:59,469 --> 00:41:57,559
only appears then that area is in winter

909
00:42:01,809 --> 00:41:59,479
darkness allied to the angle of

910
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,819
inclination of the satellite taking the

911
00:42:07,029 --> 00:42:03,920
images during summer months in the

912
00:42:08,709 --> 00:42:07,039
area's well lit there is no hole but

913
00:42:12,579 --> 00:42:08,719
that doesn't stop conspiracy theorists

914
00:42:15,759 --> 00:42:12,589
of course as recently as 2016 a group

915
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:15,769
called secure team 10 posted a video on

916
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:18,170
YouTube with never-before-seen pictures

917
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:21,170
of the alleged hole apart from the s of

918
00:42:26,259 --> 00:42:23,089
photographs one of the never-before-seen

919
00:42:28,059 --> 00:42:26,269
photographs was published in 1972 it

920
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:28,069
shows North America and has been readily

921
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:29,119
available on the net

922
00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:31,249
ever since there was a net to look at

923
00:42:35,949 --> 00:42:34,069
nevertheless secured team 10 which

924
00:42:37,419 --> 00:42:35,959
sounds more impressive than it is at one

925
00:42:40,059 --> 00:42:37,429
point in the video they referred to the

926
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:40,069
Arctic as the Antarctic claims the

927
00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:41,900
cover-up because every single satellite

928
00:42:46,029 --> 00:42:43,309
image that we have of the North Pole

929
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:46,039
shows a massive hole or a blackout hole

930
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:48,660
put there to hide whatever's underneath

931
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:50,970
that's not even close to being true

932
00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:53,530
what's a bit of absurd hyperbole between

933
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:56,440
friends the photo in question was taken

934
00:43:02,400 --> 00:42:59,950
in 1972 by Ken Mattingly a member of the

935
00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:02,410
crew of Apollo 16 if you go under the

936
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:04,030
NASA site you can get this photo very

937
00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:05,730
easily just look up Ken Mattingly and

938
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:09,070
photo of the earth as the online caption

939
00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:13,270
for the photo says is 1 6 1 1 8 1 8 8 8

940
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:17,020
5 16 April 1972 a good view of Earth

941
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,970
photographed about one of the half hours

942
00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:22,000
after translunar injection on April 16th

943
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:24,790
1972 although there is much cloud cover

944
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:27,310
the United States in large part most of

945
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:29,710
Mexico and some parts of Central America

946
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:32,830
are clearly visible note Lake Michigan

947
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:35,670
and Lake Superior and the Bahamas banks

948
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:38,200
see different shades of blue below

949
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:42,490
Florida just beginning man's fifth lunar

950
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:44,950
landing mission where astronauts John W

951
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:46,930
young commander Thomas K Mattingly the

952
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:49,570
second command module pilot and Charles

953
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:52,780
M duke jr. lunar module pilot while

954
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:54,609
astronauts young and Duke descended in

955
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:57,250
the lunar module Orion to explore the

956
00:44:01,500 --> 00:43:59,260
Descartes Highlands region of the moon

957
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:01,510
astronaut Mattingly remained with the

958
00:44:06,329 --> 00:44:03,880
command and service modules Kaspar in

959
00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:06,339
lunar orbit that's when he was taking

960
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:08,500
the photos the photo shows cloud cover

961
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:10,570
with an interesting circle yes

962
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:13,170
let's call it a hole in the top left

963
00:44:17,250 --> 00:44:15,670
when other conspiracy theorists cite

964
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:17,260
published this photo and another one

965
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:19,240
that was very similar so similar in fact

966
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:20,710
that it's incredible that they didn't

967
00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:22,210
realize that they simply turned the

968
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,060
first photo through 90 degrees to photos

969
00:44:29,609 --> 00:44:27,520
same further the video

970
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:29,619
despite being more than 40 years late

971
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,480
with its startling revelations received

972
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:33,280
wide publicity in the tabloid and

973
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:36,040
digital tabloid press none of those

974
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:37,690
media outlets seemed to have check to

975
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:39,690
see if the photo really was secret

976
00:44:44,609 --> 00:44:43,330
never-before-seen or even recent and I

977
00:44:47,099 --> 00:44:44,619
certainly didn't seem to want to find

978
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:47,109
out what the hull was it's turned out to

979
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,030
be a problem as well the top-secret

980
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:51,520
photo is published everywhere it is hard

981
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,710
to find an explanation of the hull or

982
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:55,740
even an acknowledgment of its existence

983
00:45:01,200 --> 00:44:58,210
NASA does not seem to have published a

984
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:01,210
rebuttal of the whole as claimed the

985
00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:02,180
fact that the claim is

986
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:03,830
Cupid might be a good reason not to

987
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:06,110
bother but it would be nice to have an

988
00:45:11,110 --> 00:45:08,030
explanation to offer in response to the

989
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,120
conspiracy nuts enter their skeptical

990
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:14,480
meteorologist Steve Symons is a longtime

991
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:16,730
skeptic in New South Wales yet

992
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:18,770
experienced meteorologists so as often

993
00:45:22,810 --> 00:45:20,540
happens in skeptical circles he readily

994
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:22,820
gave a clear explanation but you do have

995
00:45:27,610 --> 00:45:24,290
to listen closely to this one

996
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:27,620
he says air rises at the equator and

997
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:29,960
sinks back to earth at around 30 degrees

998
00:45:34,810 --> 00:45:32,510
north and south and some of that flows

999
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:34,820
back to the equator at the surface as

1000
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,120
the trade winds air also rises in the

1001
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:40,490
vicinity of the polar front at about 50

1002
00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:42,650
degrees north and south some of that

1003
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:45,140
moves towards the equator and sinks to

1004
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:47,570
30 degrees north and south with the

1005
00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:49,850
equatorial air and flows back towards

1006
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,030
the pole at the surface producing the

1007
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:55,760
westerlies air rising at the polar front

1008
00:46:00,910 --> 00:45:58,370
also moves towards the pole and sinks

1009
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:00,920
back to the surface at the pulse this

1010
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:02,990
creates a belt of low pressure around

1011
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:05,030
the equator a belt of high pressure

1012
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:07,400
around 30 degrees a belt of low pressure

1013
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:09,710
around 50 degrees and high pressure

1014
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:12,650
again at the poles high pressure areas

1015
00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:16,640
have descending air cloud does not form

1016
00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:19,190
in descending air and with no cloud you

1017
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:21,620
get no rain all the world's major

1018
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:24,440
deserts lie along the subtropical Ridge

1019
00:46:29,770 --> 00:46:26,930
the belt of high pressure around 30

1020
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:29,780
degrees and also under the highs of the

1021
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:32,570
poles the Antarctic and Arctic are

1022
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:35,150
deserts if you have an ocean surrounded

1023
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:37,430
by land as you do in the Arctic you will

1024
00:46:41,770 --> 00:46:39,650
get widespread cloud over the land areas

1025
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:41,780
but where you have descending air over

1026
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:43,630
the ocean you will get no cloud at all

1027
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:46,070
the symmetrical nature of the flow of

1028
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,200
air around the Arctic means that the

1029
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,480
cloud free area will be virtually

1030
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:52,880
circular exactly as you said in the

1031
00:46:58,540 --> 00:46:56,450
photo the polar night vortex Steve says

1032
00:47:01,150 --> 00:46:58,550
is a jet stream that circles the poles

1033
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:01,160
at around 10,000 meters it tends to

1034
00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:03,170
separate the air over the pole from the

1035
00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:05,630
sub polar regions and could help reduce

1036
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:08,120
the clean edge to the cloud but there is

1037
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:10,100
no need to worry about it the simple

1038
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,130
explanation of a high pressure system

1039
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:15,180
descending air and therefore no cloud

1040
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:16,740
explains the hole in the pole well

1041
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:19,890
enough meteorologist one conspiracy

1042
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:29,880
theories nil that's part 2 of this

1043
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:32,220
article pad 3 will actually look at some

1044
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:35,970
of the people who want to go there look

1045
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:54,660
forward to talking to you them skeptic

1046
00:48:00,559 --> 00:47:57,540
on 2019 the Australian skeptics National

1047
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:00,569
Convention one of the highlights of this

1048
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:02,609
year's convention is the regulatory

1049
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:05,339
panel discussion could Australian

1050
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:08,660
regulators better protect consumers from

1051
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:11,790
misleading and dangerous advertising of

1052
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:15,780
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1053
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,450
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1054
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:20,819
president of Friends of science in

1055
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:24,420
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1056
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,750
Hays deputy general manager enforcement

1057
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:30,000
coordination Australian Competition and

1058
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,650
Consumer Commission mayor Duke head of

1059
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:36,540
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1060
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:39,630
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1061
00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:42,270
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1062
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:43,980
the school of public health and

1063
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:47,500
preventive medicine Monash University

1064
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:51,070
jeonse carrot deputy secretary for

1065
00:48:57,140 --> 00:48:53,470
health products regulation Australian

1066
00:48:59,640 --> 00:48:57,150
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1067
00:49:02,100 --> 00:48:59,650
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1068
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:02,110
practice professional unit coordinator

1069
00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:04,150
at the Center for research in

1070
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:06,040
evidence-based practice at Bond

1071
00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:08,530
University President of the Gold Coast

1072
00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:12,760
skeptics Julie woods discipline leader

1073
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,400
nutrition Institute for physical

1074
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:17,680
activity and nutrition school of

1075
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:20,080
exercise and nutrition sciences Deakin

1076
00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,650
University and mal Vickers Master of

1077
00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:25,780
Public Health student at the school of

1078
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:27,870
public health and preventive medicine

1079
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:32,170
Monash University - the panel will be on

1080
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:34,990
Saturday the 7th of December from 11

1081
00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:38,290
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1082
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1083
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1084
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:02,600
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1085
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:05,190
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1086
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:09,450
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1087
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1088
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1093
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what I mean when Lord the cat's come

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back with me to the studio she's looking

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out the window because for some reason

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I'll just open the studio window hang on

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you pick up the microphone maybe you can

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hear we've been invaded by rainbow

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it's that sort of day why the rainbow

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lorikeets circle around guys 1 now this

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is Richard Saunders signing off from

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haven't done this for a few weeks this

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this where I roll a 10 sided die this

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week sometimes it's six sided sometimes

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it's different 20 sided today it's 10

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sided are all at three times I'll roll

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at three times and you use your psychic

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predicting powers oh hello it's more

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cheese back yeah this is her toy mouse

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come on hmm sometimes she leaps

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backwards to get that Mouse yeah this is

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where you used your predicting powers to

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see if you can predict what numbers will

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come up so I'm gonna put it in a little

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container here there we go shut the

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container give it a rattle and here

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comes the first number eight might bet

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on your score cards folks eight predict

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the next number here it comes for force

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three eight four and three hey if you're

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coming to skeptic on in a couple of

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weeks time say hello and I might even